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Post by evilregalqueen on Nov 26, 2012 22:20:59 GMT -6
YES TO EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID!!!
Sometimes I feel like Emma is in the middle of a penis fest, because all they do is throw men at her... and, gosh I hate it!!!
AND THE NEAL THING. OH. THE. NEAL. THING.
Not even getting started on that. If Neal is Emma's true love and Henry is the child of true love, i'm quitting. I'll stop watching, like really. Like... seriously, would anyone buy that crap? I don't think so. You see, if someone said to me that everyone could have only one true love, and Daniel was Regina's true love and she'd never get love again, I'd understand. I'd even ship it (even after everything that happened) because, in the end, he was ripped from Regina, he was taken away from her. Neal on the other hand, chose to leave. So, no. Please. Stop.
The new characters just bother me so much. It seems to me that they are bringing so many characters that they don't know how to deal with it anymore. I just wanted to see some more of Regina's character development, but apparently that's too much to ask.
And yes, as someone said, Emma does look more 2D to me too. But that might be because we're not seeing her like we saw last season, we're seeing a new Emma, an Emma dealing with FTL.
Guys, seriously, I think I'll go crazy if I get this little Regina time for another episode...
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Post by kingofwildthings on Nov 27, 2012 16:51:59 GMT -6
ALL OF THESE THINGS. With added thoughts/special emphasis on:
1) Regina's backstory. Wtf is up with this time line? I thought Regina lost her shit and went to the "dark side" when she found out about Snow telling Cora and that Cora had orchestrated the whole thing. "I should have let her die on that horse?" TPTB, remember when you wrote that? But then they went back with the Regina/Snow scene with Daniel's ring, which was fantastic, I just have no clue how it fits with the timeline. But now they're saying she didn't go all Evil Queen until it was confirmed that they couldn't bring back Daniel? Which is still kinda ehh with me. I don't buy the sudden transformation. But whatev.
2) Unused storylines/things that need to be shown: Regina hating life while living with Leopold. Some people are still in denial about how craptastic her life was. Maybe we should show them. Can we have more young Snow/young Regina interaction? It makes my heart smile and break into a thousand pieces. Also, what happened to Snow's mother?
3) If they try to make Neal Emma's true love, I will throw my computer out a window. And then set the studio on fire. I can't even begin to tell you how horrible this would be. Just. No. Eww. (And where was Emma's foster system angst? She was wayyy too happy-go-lucky and naive. I fully expected her to pull a knife on Neal when she first saw him, force him out of the car, and drive off like the badass I thought she was.)
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Post by yessikg on Nov 27, 2012 17:29:30 GMT -6
3) If they try to make Neal Emma's true love, I will throw my computer out a window. And then set the studio on fire. I can't even begin to tell you how horrible this would be. Just. No. Eww. (And where was Emma's foster system angst? She was wayyy too happy-go-lucky and naive. I fully expected her to pull a knife on Neal when she first saw him, force him out of the car, and drive off like the badass I thought she was.) THIS ALL OF THIS They messed up Emma's backstory so badly, Tallahasse is probably the worst episode of OUAT and Neal is such a lame character  |
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Post by evilregalqueen on Nov 27, 2012 17:32:01 GMT -6
(And where was Emma's foster system angst? She was wayyy too happy-go-lucky and naive. I fully expected her to pull a knife on Neal when she first saw him, force him out of the car, and drive off like the badass I thought she was.) EXACTLY. Like, She went through years of foster system and came out... naive and all full of happiness and just became that closed person after... losing her first love? just... no. it could've been like that, but idk, it seems like foster system was not the easiest thing. it should have changed her somehow... |
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Post by kingofwildthings on Nov 27, 2012 17:41:11 GMT -6
Clearly Neal can't be Emma's true love. He hasn't gone on an epic quest to "find her". It's a Charming family true love tradition, after all.
Regina, however...finding Emma and co in FTL? coughcough
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Post by marieyotz on Nov 27, 2012 21:28:49 GMT -6
They messed up Emma's backstory so badly, Tallahasse is probably the worst episode of OUAT and Neal is such a lame character Yes I thought Emma was going to turn out to have some... not darkness, exactly. Just some very non Charming ambiguity, that would force her folks and Henry to say "Gee, can we love someone who isn't a perfect beacon of goodness? Can we accept the fact that peoples lives shape who they are, and that real love will nurture the goodness within" -- again it goes to that idea that I thought they were going to be re-inventing fairy tales, adding new twists. Like the White Knight is maybe more of a gray knight. Tallahassee disabused me of that thought process. It's been so klunky. I'm glad they've made the effort to give her a backstory, but I expend a lot of effort in embracing it. I'm totally with them on the "Cora crushes Daniel's heart in front of Regina" part, and then everything after that I'm like "But..... mmm...." pause "... are we TOTALLY sure this is making any sense?......" pause "I mean - I know we needed Regina to hate Snow, but this is making her look pretty clueless...." |
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Post by kingofwildthings on Nov 28, 2012 0:16:57 GMT -6
There's just so many points where I feel like she could have "transformed" (and not all of them are canon/have been shown yet) and I felt like the aftermath of Daniel's failed resurrection was a poor one.
-Daniel's death
-Regina's wedding from hell
-as she banishes Snow
-currently unrevealed trauma (it's Regina, the possibilities are endless)
And when did she officially decide to take revenge on Snow? Just because she's decided to learn magic doesn't mean she wants to off Snow. It just means she wants to get the eff away from Leopold. I can't see her plotting immediately, there's just no way. Regina still cares for Snow, and she's just a little kid, you know? I like to think that she tried to forgive her but it didn't really work out very well...and she became consumed with bitterness and jealousy.
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Post by killerelephants on Nov 28, 2012 6:05:06 GMT -6
I think they're just glossing over way too many important things. In fact, not all of them are even that important, not to the storyline. But, for example, Charming. I mean... what. even. happened. there? Saying that, I'm not even going to pretend that I'm not just the littlest bit satisfied that he's acting like an absolute idiot lately. I'm just annoyed that it's being completely ignored by everyone (writers/other characters).
I think it's been raised before, numerous times, but the whole double standards thing going on in this show is killing me. Charming is 'good' so he can leave kids unsupervised and then light a candle next to their bed while they sleep, and not have to deal with any negative consequences to that. WHY?
But then it's like the writers are giving their 'good characters' all these negative characteristics that are OUT OF THEIR HANDS TO CONTROL. Red, for instance. She's only killed people because she's a werewolf - she can't control that. And Snow - she vowed to kill the Queen, but she took a potion that made her forget her true love - the homicidal tendencies were out of her control. I guess there are exceptions - Archie, for example; though he's pretty much the only person still standing by Regina and willing to help her.
It annoys me, especially, how it's been seemingly overlooked that Regina's fate was more or less out of her control, too. Rumpel MADE her. I really cannot wait to get some back story here, on 'the miller's daughter', and find out what the hell happened then. I'm not sure if Rumpel actually got his baby in the end (if that baby was Regina), or if he didn't but bitterness led him to taking her, anyway, in his own good time.
As has already been mentioned - Emma's back story is seriously lacking. It doesn't add up, what we were led to believe of her upbringing, and then the Emma Swan we were introduced to in Tallahassee - then who she is now.
Regina's back story is even more unsatisfying. The plotholes... agh. No help from fairies, abuse from mother, neglect from father, forced into marriage - rape? And just...nothing. No, she's evil, she's a bitch, she deserves it. The only time I EVER feel okay about this, is when I'm reading fics like 'Even Angels Fall' by Queen Nan.
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Post by dancewiththepen on Dec 9, 2012 9:39:34 GMT -6
Right now, I think my biggest problem is Neal. After Tallahassee and we realized Neal was going to be showing up in Storybrooke, I felt like I was going to be sick. I've never reacted to a tv show like that before, but I was seriously so anxiety ridden at the thought that Neal would show up and he and Emma would get together and take Henry away from Regina for good to be a happy little family.
I mean, I agree with the problems everyone else has stated, but right now Neal is my biggest problem. Like, I will deal with all the other crap the show is pulling right now as long as Neal just disappears.
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Post by kingofwildthings on Dec 9, 2012 19:10:32 GMT -6
The Neal issue needs to just be dealt with over an episode or two. He shows up, tries to get her back, Emma has none of his shit, Regina and Emma tell him to gtf away from Henry and their gay parent trap, everyone learns that family is love and not biology, and he is never seen or heard of again. Kind of a a less painful parallel to the way Regina had to move on from Daniel. Regina has to let go of the love she held for him to grow as a person, Emma has to let go of the (justifiable) hatred and such. Then Swan Queen happens.  |
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Post by evilregalqueen on Dec 10, 2012 6:33:00 GMT -6
I actually think Neal showing up will be a good thing in a way. And dont get me wrong...I do not want him to be Emma's true love, but has everyone forgotten that Emma lied to Henry about his father? This would be a perfect time for Henry to open his damn eyes and see that Emma isnt perfect after all. He has her sitting so high up on a pedestal that he cant even see her anymore and that shit drives me crazy. He needs to realize that Emma is flawed too just like the rest of them. As for what happens when he gets there, I hope Emma tells him to get the fuck away from her. He abandoned her, let her take the fall for his crimes, and pretended that she never existed for 10 years. He's a douche bag and he doesnt deserve to get Emma or Henry. I hope he's only around for an episode or two and then we can get back to what makes this show so damn good. REGINA! If there was a like button here, I would sure like every single one of yours. Hahahaha But anyway, yes, Henry needs to lose this image he has of a perfect Emma, because I think she's everything but perfect (and that's what usually makes characters interesting). He needs to realize that the world is not black and white or you're good or you're bad, people are more complex than that. And Neal... Oh, Neal. I just... I can't. HE LEFT EMMA. HE EFFING (yeah...) LEFT!!! HE ABANDONED HER AND LEFT HER TO THE COPS. HE'S A DOUCHE!!! If he gets near Emma, I'm not to be blamed for my actions... |
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Post by spockkirk on Dec 23, 2012 20:17:07 GMT -6
I agree with all of this. I like the episode where we see that Emma is not a perfect person, that she was a thief and stole watches, and made mistakes. I think it's neat how the line between hero and villain in this show is rather thin, it makes it interesting. i.e. Regina opens the portal, saving Emma and Snow both. That is a heroic act, which deserved more attention and praise then it got. I mean, she just saved both their asses and they can't reward her by asking her to have a damn burger with them?
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