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Post by wherethewhiled on Dec 3, 2012 0:28:10 GMT -6
can't stand or understand how all these people who purport to be "good" can be so unawares of what goes on around them, and lack empathy, sensitivity and plain human decency towards others outside of what is good for themselves. the charmings are unbelievably arrogant and selfish. unevolved really. they have always believed themselves to be good and so never feel the need to change or be better .. their sense of entitlement is horrifying ..
this ep really and unequivocally made me see regina as the hero of the narrative. and will be how i see it from now on. what that woman has to go through is uncanny. in love with her redemption and her intricate, intricate feelings.
just wish emma would make a better effort with regina; she went against everything she has been to save her life, and the best emma can muster is .. your mother is a piece of work? maybe i just wish the whole show was about the two of them working their relationship out and less about other things that are boring.
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Post by Kzenia on Dec 3, 2012 1:15:06 GMT -6
Sleeping Warrior ship baits from TPTB here. I wonder if they were shipping us away from SwanQueen, focus on SW instead (like it can suffice, duh!) so they can build up the hetero ship for our girls?*foreboding SQ dreams*
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Post by marieyotz on Dec 3, 2012 5:44:38 GMT -6
Also as a side note Regina/EQ/Lana Parrilla is ridiculously hot. Like her face and eyes and voice just steal scenes. I have to rewind her scenes because I just stare at the awesomeness that is her. Sheesh This is completely accurate. I feel compelled to say that, while I am generally attracted to men, I would actually move mountains for Regina's face. One pebble at a time if I had to. She is breathtaking. Everyone in Storybrooke is a giant raging asshat. |
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Post by evilregalqueen on Dec 3, 2012 8:07:46 GMT -6
can't stand or understand how all these people who purport to be "good" can be so unawares of what goes on around them, and lack empathy, sensitivity and plain human decency towards others outside of what is good for themselves. the charmings are unbelievably arrogant and selfish. unevolved really. they have always believed themselves to be good and so never feel the need to change or be better .. their sense of entitlement is horrifying .. this ep really and unequivocally made me see regina as the hero of the narrative. and will be how i see it from now on. what that woman has to go through is uncanny. in love with her redemption and her intricate, intricate feelings. just wish emma would make a better effort with regina; she went against everything she has been to save her life, and the best emma can muster is .. your mother is a piece of work? maybe i just wish the whole show was about the two of them working their relationship out and less about other things that are boring. Yes, I agree with this 100%. The Charmings attitude is just... ridiculous. Assuming you're good and never has to change, just makes you not good. Makes you arrogant and... stupid. No one is all good. When Snow killed people... that doesn't make her a killer?? That doesn't make her at least a little... bad?? I'm sure that if those people she killed could say something in the after life, it probably wouldn't be "oh Snow White is oooooooh sooooooo good person", cmon guys. The same with James. They were fighting to protect themselves just as much as Regina was trying to protect herself. The thing is, Regina was cruel sometimes. that's what makes her the Evil Queen, but that doesn't make Snow or Charming any better. That in general just really annoys me. I hate the fact that everyone is treating Regina like shit. Guys, she saved your fucking ass. She's doing everything in her power to be good, and no one let her know she's doing right. No one. And she's really trying. For Henry. Who always seem to have Regina as a second option and that really makes me wanna flip my sh**. Like, really. She's his mother. She did everything in her power to make him love her, including let people tell her what to do and being... well, kind of humiliated. Just to be good again, good for him, so he could love her. And what does he do? "Oh, she has changed and she's good and good always win but -nope doesn't work for you Regina. I'm going to have dinner with my mom, hahaha, see what I did there? Called her mom and left you here alone crying, bye haters!" I... ugh, I just wanna punch that kid in the face to see if he gets some sense into his head. How can you just... erase ten years of your life where that woman cared for you, with her whole heart? You're the only fu****g thing she has allowed herself to love with her whole heart since Daniel. You're her weakness Henry. And you know how the Evil Queen doesn't like weakness. And she still does everything for you. Even though you keep hurting and hurting and hurting her... I won't be surprised if she goes all EQ on everybody. She totally can after how everyone is treating her. And Emma... Oh Emma. You just realized you were a pawn all along in Rumple's game, you just saw how twisted evil can really be when you met Regina's mother, you could put two and two together and realize that that's why Regina is the way she is, couldn't you? That she has always been a pawn to Gold as well?? Little... stupid this savior we got ourselves, isn't she? Stupid is a strong word. I would say she's trying not to see. I don't think she wants to see the good in Regina. She wants to keep seeing the evil, blaming Regina, so she can keep treating her like crap, not showing any sign of gratitude because Regina saved her... Like what did Regina got? A smile, a thank you, and got pushed aside. You don't do that. I saw someone saying on twitter, and I quote it now "If you hate her so much, just make her pay the bill". I could go on for hours but I"m just gonna end it here before it gets bigger and bigger and gets out of my control  |
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Post by yessikg on Dec 3, 2012 15:58:16 GMT -6
Minus a few things, this episode was amazing! It surpassed my expectations (although I did have low expectations ) and gave me some really good scenes with my newest ship: Hook and Cora, I still don't know what to call them but they're fun  If Regina doesn't get treated better in future episodes I will be mad!! |
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Post by scribb1es on Dec 4, 2012 2:52:36 GMT -6
Really enjoyed it. Like a lamb roast with all the trimmings. Sure there was a bit of vile parsnip to one side (the regina snub) and I think the gravy might have a few lumps (self-righteous charming clan - yes especially you, Henry) - but all in all, my stomach was full. Did enjoy my SQ dessert.
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Post by helebette on Dec 5, 2012 14:13:10 GMT -6
Parsnip is pretty good next to roasted carrots. Add some honey and...ok, I have no idea what kind of metaphor I was going for there. You know, a little part of me kinda went 'oh, look at how Regina let Henry's hand go without yanking him back or blowing up the 7 Dwarves' and then I imagined a caption reading 'if you love something let it go and blahblah it'll come back to you because that's the whole point of letting it go otherwise this saying wouldn't be so popular.' Point being: this episode is good fodder for post-portal Swan Queen sexy times.
I have idea now that gaybians are the most vocal and perhaps even plentiful (statistically speaking) group in OUAT fandom and as such, we are being baited/rewarded/baited/rejected (not necessarily in that order) to an intense degree. I'm not so into the idea that Sleeping Warrior is a distraction from Swan Queen especially now that Ruby and Belle are shagging in the library every Sunday evening in my imagination.
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Post by marieyotz on Dec 6, 2012 18:51:06 GMT -6
Effing heck (that was my polite proboards style speak) I am just buried in Regina love today! There is actually no way that any human being on this planet could have made that episode and not thought it would end with me feeling completely and utterly sorry for my poor unloved Evil Queen. Is there??? Surely there's nowhere we could be going with this story but a real happy ending!
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Post by evilregalqueen on Dec 7, 2012 6:53:35 GMT -6
I think she is a lot like Elphaba too... Because well, when she becomes "wicked" she's not a crazy psycho wicked she's just... consumed with grief. She lost everything she had, she lost her love, she lost her best friend and then became wicked... And that's what happened with Regina too right?
IDK if the writers intended it to be that way... but ok. To me they are a lot alike.
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Post by dancewiththepen on Dec 7, 2012 19:31:28 GMT -6
can't stand or understand how all these people who purport to be "good" can be so unawares of what goes on around them, and lack empathy, sensitivity and plain human decency towards others outside of what is good for themselves. the charmings are unbelievably arrogant and selfish. unevolved really. they have always believed themselves to be good and so never feel the need to change or be better .. their sense of entitlement is horrifying .. this ep really and unequivocally made me see regina as the hero of the narrative. and will be how i see it from now on. what that woman has to go through is uncanny. in love with her redemption and her intricate, intricate feelings. just wish emma would make a better effort with regina; she went against everything she has been to save her life, and the best emma can muster is .. your mother is a piece of work? maybe i just wish the whole show was about the two of them working their relationship out and less about other things that are boring. Yes, I agree with this 100%. The Charmings attitude is just... ridiculous. Assuming you're good and never has to change, just makes you not good. Makes you arrogant and... stupid. No one is all good. When Snow killed people... that doesn't make her a killer?? That doesn't make her at least a little... bad?? I'm sure that if those people she killed could say something in the after life, it probably wouldn't be "oh Snow White is oooooooh sooooooo good person", cmon guys. The same with James. They were fighting to protect themselves just as much as Regina was trying to protect herself. The thing is, Regina was cruel sometimes. that's what makes her the Evil Queen, but that doesn't make Snow or Charming any better. That in general just really annoys me. I hate the fact that everyone is treating Regina like shit. Guys, she saved your fucking ass. She's doing everything in her power to be good, and no one let her know she's doing right. No one. And she's really trying. For Henry. Who always seem to have Regina as a second option and that really makes me wanna flip my sh**. Like, really. She's his mother. She did everything in her power to make him love her, including let people tell her what to do and being... well, kind of humiliated. Just to be good again, good for him, so he could love her. And what does he do? "Oh, she has changed and she's good and good always win but -nope doesn't work for you Regina. I'm going to have dinner with my mom, hahaha, see what I did there? Called her mom and left you here alone crying, bye haters!" I... ugh, I just wanna punch that kid in the face to see if he gets some sense into his head. How can you just... erase ten years of your life where that woman cared for you, with her whole heart? You're the only fu****g thing she has allowed herself to love with her whole heart since Daniel. You're her weakness Henry. And you know how the Evil Queen doesn't like weakness. And she still does everything for you. Even though you keep hurting and hurting and hurting her... I won't be surprised if she goes all EQ on everybody. She totally can after how everyone is treating her. And Emma... Oh Emma. You just realized you were a pawn all along in Rumple's game, you just saw how twisted evil can really be when you met Regina's mother, you could put two and two together and realize that that's why Regina is the way she is, couldn't you? That she has always been a pawn to Gold as well?? Little... stupid this savior we got ourselves, isn't she? Stupid is a strong word. I would say she's trying not to see. I don't think she wants to see the good in Regina. She wants to keep seeing the evil, blaming Regina, so she can keep treating her like crap, not showing any sign of gratitude because Regina saved her... Like what did Regina got? A smile, a thank you, and got pushed aside. You don't do that. I saw someone saying on twitter, and I quote it now "If you hate her so much, just make her pay the bill". I could go on for hours but I"m just gonna end it here before it gets bigger and bigger and gets out of my control The Charmings piss me off because they act like their happy endings are the only ones that matter. I wouldn't mind quite as much if I felt the narrative was doing this on purpose in order to show them as flawed human beings who need to overcome this self-centeredness, but I don't see that happening. Instead everyone is more than willing to risk life and limb for them without even so much as a grumble in protest. They condemn Regina for being a murder - and she is - but what about when Snow and everyone attacked King George's castle and slaughtered his guards? We know they had the fairies. Why didn't the fairies go in first and use magic to put all the guards to sleep? Seriously? What the hell was that? They weren't taking over the castle where a full on battle might have been unavoidable: they were just supposed to get in and out on a rescue mission. I can guarantee you the families of the guards aren't singing Snow White's praises and extolling the virtues of Snow White and Prince Charming's love. By the way, where are those people in Storybrooke? Are we just supposed to believe that those guards don't have families? And Emma, I'm hoping, was just so happy to be back home that she was oblivious to everything, and that she'll remember her realization in the Enchanted Forest that she hasn't been much of a savior lately and begin connecting the dots to realize that she's not the only one Rumplestiltskin has manipulated and influenced. |
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Post by marieyotz on Dec 9, 2012 6:45:10 GMT -6
I can guarantee you the families of the guards aren't singing Snow White's praises and extolling the virtues of Snow White and Prince Charming's love. By the way, where are those people in Storybrooke? Are we just supposed to believe that those guards don't have families?
I'm guessing that we're supposed to believe Evil Queen took all of their hearts, and therefore killing them was like a mercy thing |
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Post by dancewiththepen on Dec 9, 2012 9:42:10 GMT -6
I can guarantee you the families of the guards aren't singing Snow White's praises and extolling the virtues of Snow White and Prince Charming's love. By the way, where are those people in Storybrooke? Are we just supposed to believe that those guards don't have families?
I'm guessing that we're supposed to believe Evil Queen took all of their hearts, and therefore killing them was like a mercy thing The world may never know. By the way, how did Mulan put Aurora's heart back in her chest? And if Mulan can put hearts back in people's chests, can she also take them? Or can anyone put a heart back inside a person's chest because the heart is imbued with magic once it's taken and will want to go back to where it should be? I'm a little confused on how the taking and putting back of hearts works and who can do what and why. |
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Post by giftofamber on Dec 9, 2012 9:50:01 GMT -6
I'm guessing that we're supposed to believe Evil Queen took all of their hearts, and therefore killing them was like a mercy thing My guess is that the writers haven't really thought about it. |
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Post by Exquisiteliltart on Dec 10, 2012 11:23:38 GMT -6
I can guarantee you the families of the guards aren't singing Snow White's praises and extolling the virtues of Snow White and Prince Charming's love. By the way, where are those people in Storybrooke? Are we just supposed to believe that those guards don't have families?
I'm guessing that we're supposed to believe Evil Queen took all of their hearts, and therefore killing them was like a mercy thing The world may never know. By the way, how did Mulan put Aurora's heart back in her chest? And if Mulan can put hearts back in people's chests, can she also take them? Or can anyone put a heart back inside a person's chest because the heart is imbued with magic once it's taken and will want to go back to where it should be? I'm a little confused on how the taking and putting back of hearts works and who can do what and why. We saw young Regina learning how to take a heart- so I think it takes skill. So if Hook's hook was enchanted to take one heart, but failed to take Cora's, perhaps that is why he was still able to take Aurora's. I think putting it back should be difficult, but Mulan was able to through sheer desire and failing was not an option. That's usually how fairytales go, right? |
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Post by J. on Dec 13, 2012 15:23:58 GMT -6
I agree that Hook's hook was still enchanted. They showed those two things to us on the same episode, I think we were supposed to put them together.
However, I think there is a certain flexibility here on the level of skill or training or magic that is required to take or put back a heart. It depends a lot on what they need it to be at a certain episode, I'm sure. Do we have other examples of hearts being put back in? My memory is terrible!
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