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Post by giftofamber on Nov 26, 2012 22:14:31 GMT -6
If we want SQ on this show I firmly believe the fastest track is to get Lana on board as captain of the ship. No one else has more pull for her character, apart from Adam and Eddy, who seem way more fascinated by their new toys right now. And first step for Lana to be on board is for her to actually SEE it, really see it. Not as some abstract notion from her loyal fanbase, but see it as being deliberate and real. And while she might not have been seeing it in the mine scene or whatever, subtext is often the sort of thing that once you point it out -- unless you have an axe to grind -- you usually cannot unsee it again. Lana is certainly not a fool and has no reason for axe grinding. And she may notice a helluva lot more of Jane Espenson's little SQ writing nuggets in the future as being full of subtext now pandora's box has been popped and it's been pointed out to her in detail. If she starts to look for them, that is. Regina has always been a delicious tease and a flirt with everyone and everything. I'd love to see what she's like if/when Lana decides to be an 'ally' and hits the turbo-boost button on subtext lines. Ovary explosions everywhere. I definitely think we need to recruit our captain. And not by saying SQ is so sexy and so hot and omg I can't with Regina and Emma. But by quoting the subtext lines and subtext moments ad infinitum until only the axe grinders are left being deliberately obtuse. And everyone else is Ohhh, right, I get what you're on about. Once seen, never unseen.  My new motto. Um, during the entirety of voting for the AE Femslash poll, I tagged Lana on my pimp tweets that included subtext like "Vote because Emma saved Regina from a dragon" or "Vote because Emma answered the door for Regina without pants" or "Vote because Emma wants to taste Regina's forbidden fruit" etc etc. I know she gets a million tweets, but surely at some point over the course of that month she saw some of those tweets. SwanQueenOUAT used to tweet her subtext lines all the time as well before people decided that it was 'rude' to tweet Lana about Swan Queen even though the actors get bombarded with tweets about straight ships regularly. |
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Post by scribb1es on Nov 26, 2012 22:43:33 GMT -6
Now if everyone followed your lead, Gift, we would be a lot harder to dismiss.  btw why is it rude to ask about SQ? Gay isn't intrinsically rude or dirty despite what detractors screech. Peeps gotta stop accepting invisibility for fear of possibly offending. Lana is clearly an LGBT ally - this topic is not offensive to her. She was not offended when I asked her about it, and twice when I tried to move off SQ and onto something else, SHE was the one who hauled me back to finish what she wanted to say. She was determined I not move on before I heard all of it. |
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Post by yessikg on Nov 26, 2012 23:20:02 GMT -6
btw why is it rude to ask about SQ? Gay isn't intrinsically rude or dirty despite what detractors screech. Peeps gotta stop accepting invisibility for fear of possibly offending. Personally, I'm always shy about asking about ships but I agree that it is not rude to ask about SQ or any other ship You did a great job with the interview and I love that she wanted to talk about it |
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Post by scribb1es on Nov 26, 2012 23:22:32 GMT -6
Thanks yessikg I think she was more worried about being misquoted or taken out of context which is why she kept hauling my ass back to SQ in order to list her pro-gay CV and state her position clearly. |
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Post by femmemajority on Nov 26, 2012 23:44:36 GMT -6
I had to go back and re-read the interview s l o w l y. Loved the honesty, thoughtfulness, and sense of humor. I think it's clear how much time she's invested developing Regina's past...and I think Scribes did an excellent job planting the SwanQueen seed and giving it a bit of water and sun! I can't wait for more subtext. I know this is crossing over into the other forum topic, but I just have to note Rumple's line in the last episode: Majesty, you did his wife. I'm sure you'd like the honors".
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Post by Exquisiteliltart on Nov 26, 2012 23:54:16 GMT -6
Majesty, you did his wife. I'm sure you'd like the honors". Majesty, you did his daughter. I'm sure you'd like the honors.. Fixed it  |
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Post by femmemajority on Nov 27, 2012 0:11:10 GMT -6
Majesty, you did his daughter. I'm sure you'd like the honors.. Fixed it [/quote] Love it! Idea: Lana should read your the top fanfic..out loud..on tape...and donate the recording to charity. World hunger, poverty, problems solved. |
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Post by geschwitz on Nov 27, 2012 0:13:07 GMT -6
It can not be easy being bombarded by so many fan requests. Yes, you have to make your show, but that doesn't mean you can't give your fans what they want. For me it comes down to simple storytelling - if Emma was male, no one and I mean no one would debate whether the Evil Queen redeeming herself via her sworn enemy becoming her saviour, would make for classic storytelling. It would be interesting. Someone so dark embracing someone so pure. That would be the real test of her redemption, opening herself up to the light, symbolically represented by Emma, the white knight. I think this is key to recruiting Lana to captain the ship. She seems to be working from deep inside her character, which is very much in the moment and building from Regina's past history. It makes sense that she wouldn't see SQ at first, since Regina doesn't. Especially since she doesn't have that crazy thing with JMo that Harmon/Alexander, Murray/Kelley, and Hargitay/March have so effortlessly. If she could see it from the point of view of classic storytelling, as you say, it almost seems like fate. Regina of course would resist the need of a Savior, and hate the very idea of a White Knight riding into to rescue her, but that makes it all the more delicious. Though it might make it more difficult for Lana to play it. It would be ironic indeed if Lana is playing Regina from such a strong feminist perspective that needing a Savior is not a natural idea, whatever chromosomes the Savior shows up with. In any case, SQ is just as much about the entire narrative arc as it is Regina and Emma, so it may distract Lana from the very difficult task of figuring out what makes Regina tick in the first place. But I certainly hope the idea has at least captured a part of her imagination, now. |
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Post by bellemalheur on Nov 27, 2012 8:29:04 GMT -6
Incredible interview. I wish she was always asked much more inventive questions than the same 5 or 6 that always get cycled through. Great work scribes!
I think if she were to understand the importance of this paring in terms of visibility and and what it would mean to the lgbt community as a whole to have a Disney fairy tale in their camp (screwing the very hurtful fam friendly and other heterosexist bs that has been spewed by others) she might champion the ship a bit more. She is obviously an ally and would tell that story.
So, how do we do that?
How do we explain to lana the potential importance of the part she is playing?
And not just to her, but tptb as well?
On a sidenote, I wonder if she's aware of the OUAT meta stuff, cuz it seems like its right up her alley.
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Post by scribb1es on Nov 27, 2012 9:29:28 GMT -6
How do we explain to lana the potential importance of the part she is playing? And not just to her, but tptb as well? There are really only three ways to approach the wooing of Lana to captain our ship. 1. Appeal to her vanity. Omg you would be so hot together, such a beautiful couple etc. Not only is this as shallow as a butter dish but it's been done to death already by every second fan. Also not a good argument if she doesn't think of JMo in any way as hot. 2. Appeal to her sense of charity. Be a good lgbt ally, do it for the cause, be a role model. Make us not be invisible. While this has a lot more merit than 1 it is still a flawed argument for two reasons. One, it makes SQ a charity case. We're asking lana to see us as victims at the worst, or needing help to lift ourselves out of a societal crap hole. Eww. Talk about a negative reason for doing something. Ie do it so we feel less bad. Two, and more importantly, this argument is interchangeable and could be substituted for any minority. Eg please hook up with lancelot so we can see representation of a mixed race relationship, please? You get the drift. And both reasons suck because you're asking her to change her character for a cause based on nothing more than helping out a group. 3. Appeal to her intellect. Argue the case as a rational move for her character - explain why it makes sense. We have seen how much she thinks about her character. She gave me a 40 min interview instead of the allocated 20 mins just because I engaged her brain and asked her about something she is passionate about. What does that tell you about her personality and who she is? I think arguing character developments and using thoughtful logic is the best line with lana. That means no pleading, begging or sucking up. ;D And if/when she is convinced then let her go forth and convince tptb. It is pointless to argue sq with those boys now anyway, they are so focused on their new toys. Do I think any of this will work? Lol, probably not. But doesn't mean we shouldn't try. I just think it'd help if everyone rowed in the same direction. To me, that is purely appealing to a smart woman's interest in her character's development and intellectualising how it plays out. Just my 2 cents. Feel free to disagree with me. |
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Post by karisq on Nov 27, 2012 10:48:10 GMT -6
I completely agree with what scribb1es is saying. The only way to get SQ on our screens is if Lana is the captain of our ship. One of the two (Lana or JMo) needs to see the logic and sensibility behind this story arc. As we all know the probability of Lana seeing it is higher.
Look at all the intensity and work that Lana puts behind her character, if SQ can't be sold to her it cannot be sold to any audience at all. So, what we need to do is get Lana to see our side. Not in a naive or the chemistry angle, but on pure facts. Which is this story is needed to be told for all the right reasons - for visibility, for it being a natural progression had the EQ been male, for the parallels in the Emma Regina stories, for how stories of this kind need to be told in this 21st century, for how we aren't a small fanbase and there are quite a few straight shippers on our team too.
The only way to do that is to engage Lana with our views and opinions. I already decided after reading Scribbl1es brilliant interview that it was what I was going to do. Write to Lana and tell her why I think I need SQ to play out on my screen and why she needs to know what a natural and progressive story it is for her character. I'm sure she will see it and if she does she might bitch it to the writers. For face it right now if she won't be thinking about this, neither will the writers.
So let's do this.
Not sure how much can be achieved through twitter and its character limit. I guess a letter would be the better option?? Imagine if she got so many letters arguing a point on the logical and natural reasons for this story line....wouldn't she not see what we all are already seeing?
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Post by bellemalheur on Nov 27, 2012 11:03:04 GMT -6
How do we explain to lana the potential importance of the part she is playing? And not just to her, but tptb as well? 3. Appeal to her intellect. Argue the case as a rational move for her character - explain why it makes sense. We have seen how much she thinks about her character. She gave me a 40 min interview instead of the allocated 20 mins just because I engaged her brain and asked her about something she is passionate about. What does that tell you about her personality and who she is? I think arguing character developments and using thoughtful logic is the best line with lana. That means no pleading, begging or sucking up. ;D This does seem like the best way to talk to her about it. I wonder if you interviewed her before or after she made the divorced parents comment in another interview. Despite all the talk they spewed of changing fairy tales, I don't think Adam and Eddie truly realized the actual impact that their storytelling could have. They are definitely appearing as more or less just kids in a toystore. I would kill (ok, not really) for you to interview them, scribes. |
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Post by helebette on Nov 27, 2012 15:33:38 GMT -6
Scribb1es! (dude how do I spell your new name!) I like your 3 point plan. Especially the charity part. And the vanity part. Oh all of it really!
I think that the tumblr'verse became really weird with the whole 'don't you dare tweet our precious Lana about lessssssbiaaaaaannnnnnnnn things' and now it's time to respectfully recruit. It took years for Lucy Lawless to come around--yeeeeeeears--and I'd dedicate at least half of that time to the Lana campaign. Half, because my attention span has shortened since the Xena days. As has my patience. I blame the internet. And Sesame Street.
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Post by kingofwildthings on Nov 27, 2012 16:10:47 GMT -6
That interview was absolutely fantastic! You're kind of my hero for doing it, tbh...
Also, why has no one interviewed JMo? How much do we know about her acting methods or stance on SQ?
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Post by scribb1es on Nov 28, 2012 20:33:06 GMT -6
Scribb1es! (dude how do I spell your new name!) I like your 3 point plan. Especially the charity part. And the vanity part. Oh all of it really! I think that the tumblr'verse became really weird with the whole 'don't you dare tweet our precious Lana about lessssssbiaaaaaannnnnnnnn things' and now it's time to respectfully recruit. It took years for Lucy Lawless to come around--yeeeeeeears--and I'd dedicate at least half of that time to the Lana campaign. Half, because my attention span has shortened since the Xena days. As has my patience. I blame the internet. And Sesame Street. Yes people don't need straights to shove them into the closet, they will do it themselves for fear of offending their gods. Gods who probably aren't nearly as bothered as we imagine. I loved Lucy on Xena - but really it was Renee who was the first to stop treating subtext like a hilarious big joke; the first to put the brakes on her character getting a boycrush every week be refusing to play scenes flirty with them anymore. And I will warrant she probably turned Lucy's mind around too. Bottom line is - you only ever need one star in a duo to drive your ship, the rest can join the crew later. (Oooh - Dibs on cruise director. Who didn't love Julie in the Love Boat?! LOL) And oh yes - Sesame Street. Definitely Sesame Street to blame. King of wild things - thank you! |
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